Doctor Who: Love & Monsters

Transcript
It is now time for Ant and Nick to press play. Hello.
Speaker B:Hello and welcome to a very different
Speaker A:edition of Ant and Nick Press Play.
Speaker B:I'm Nick and Ant has probably introduced himself already.
Speaker A:What are we pressing play on this time around? Well, we're doing something quite special, quite unique, something we've never really done before.
Speaker B:You see, we've not recorded together in quite a while now and a couple of recording dates have fallen through and life's got in the way, etc. Etc. Boring. So we were going to do a commentary because they were just quicker, basically.
Speaker A:But this time we're doing something a little bit differently. We're each recording our own separate stream of thoughts on a watch along for this specific episode.
Speaker B:I'll be in one ear, Ant will be in the other ear, and you'll be able to decide which one you want to listen to. Or you could just take both your earphones out.
Speaker A:Maybe we'll link up, maybe we won't, maybe this will be a mess. But I think it's something interesting, something new.
Speaker B:Yeah, we were wondering what to do a commentary on and Ant suggested randomly
Speaker A:and it went down quite well. Love and Monsters from series two, episode ten.
Speaker B:Quite a controversial episode at the time and still today, to be honest, it's
Speaker A:the one that stars Peter K as a big fat monster.
Speaker B:All I know from Ant's point of view is that he hates it.
Speaker A:Just to say, I'm not going to give any spoilers on my thoughts right now. You'll get them as we go through, but rest assured, I will be honest about it. It's been 20 years, I'll be honest,
Speaker B:I've not watched it in a while. I don't hate it, but we'll see. I've got some opinions on it at the time.
Speaker A:I didn't have a great day on the day I watched this, so maybe I went in clouded, but I do believe that I'm right.
Speaker B:While I'm watching, I've got to pack because I'm going to away for bank holiday weekend. So I'm just going to be casual, just going to get all my stuff together. You might hear some squeaky floorboards or some drawers opening, or I might just be called away at some point to go downstairs. But we'll just see what happens. I've got a little. Oh God, disaster already. I've got a little European beer, a little stubby, I think they're called. Get that cracked open. Ah, there we go.
Speaker A:So, without further ado, let's get started with Doctor who. Love and Monsters.
Speaker B:So we'll do a countdown. I'm sure Ant's done the same. A countdown of 3, 2, 1, go.
Speaker A:I'm going to press play in 3, 2, 1, go.
Speaker B:Right, it started.
Speaker A:Mark Warren. Obviously. I do love a bit of Mark Warren. He is something quite special now.
Speaker B:What's he called?
Speaker A:He's classic. Mark Golem.
Speaker B:This is another thing. So I can't remember what a lot of the ominous are called in this. And I'm recording it on my phone. I couldn't be bothered setting up the laptop and the microphone and everything.
Speaker A:And a tire.
Speaker B:We'll just see what happens now. Mark Warren.
Speaker A:Such a classic mid 2000 look to what Mark.
Speaker B:We're here.
Speaker A:Just heard roast a lot of running. That was a staple around this time.
Speaker B:It looks a bit cheap, this bit. I don't know where it is.
Speaker A:Running down some metal industrial.
Speaker B:But it's filmed a bit weird. Oh, that's a nice corridor.
Speaker A:Looks like a warehouse bit.
Speaker B:But just. Yeah. I don't know these early.
Speaker A:I've got the subtitles on, so it's telling me when water's dripping. I don't see any water but a bright light from under a door.
Speaker B:The lighting's not fascinating. Does look. It's very daytimey. You can tell it's on location.
Speaker A:Oh, wow. That's the thing from Torchwood.
Speaker B:What's it called? The Hoiks.
Speaker A:I think they did a really good job with some of their special effects on their costumes back then.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker B:Straight into the look good though with it. One of the dribbling stuff.
Speaker A:So we've established that Tenant era.
Speaker B:Elton played by Mark Wallace. Recording a video blog.
Speaker A:David 10 inch.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we've got the credits, these
Speaker A:old credits and the next Dr. Billy Piper.
Speaker B:Billy Piper's name coming up has always frustrated me because why didn't Piper was on magazines like Christopher Eccleston had it. Two lines. Two lines. Billy Piper just shoved onto one line. Consistency people, please.
Speaker A:Let's see, shall we?
Speaker B:So they got that classic camcorder. I mean put some little white corners.
Speaker A:There he is around the frame. Brown coat. Like the brown coat look. Always did really special. That tie is wearing overact in there. I don't think it's similar. It's the wizard of Oz.
Speaker B:Oh, no. It might be. Actually might be the one he regenerates in. I don't know. That annoys me as well. When the
Speaker A:light episode, which they tend to have every sort of series.
Speaker B:I don't know. Maybe there's only One of them a break had to like make another one.
Speaker A:This bit is kind of the most. We kind of see them until later
Speaker B:on Smith to wear. But they not got it the same. They like embroidered it or something.
Speaker A:It was really weird pattern was the
Speaker B:same but it wasn't smooth and chill
Speaker A:back and forward of this embroidered.
Speaker B:But that does look like it but I can't quite tell.
Speaker A:That's it. M Run. Oh. So Collinson. So this was the first what they
Speaker B:called Doctor light episodes where.
Speaker A:The most beautiful sound in the world. The Doctor's machine.
Speaker B:It's quite distracting actually this. Yeah. It was the. Yeah. Doctor light episode where they.
Speaker A:So I think the premise here is filming.
Speaker B:So David Tennant could be filming.
Speaker A:Which is a great premise in theory.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker A:As an interesting. Interesting idea.
Speaker B:I don't mind. I like seeing things from. Doesn't really an outside perspective and quite
Speaker A:frankly doesn't really enthral me.
Speaker B:I couldn't just talking enjoy camera.
Speaker A:I know what they're going for without
Speaker B:David Tennant in it at all.
Speaker A:I quite like meant to be the nerdy type.
Speaker B:I mean blinks a bit geeky better example.
Speaker A:But I like Warren's actually a little bit too cool. It doesn't really work in the distance
Speaker B:or removed, you know from it. I don't really need David Tennant.
Speaker A:Typical English family home.
Speaker B:I like the idea of the Doctor being something from a third party perspective.
Speaker A:Someone's probably going to ask him for cigarettes in a bit.
Speaker B:So this is. There's flashbacks within the camcorder footage.
Speaker A:Well, look at that, look at that. Look at that. Curtain, curtain. The wallpaper. So this is lovely seventies style.
Speaker B:Elton's child.
Speaker A:Look at the bowls.
Speaker B:And he's seen the Doctor.
Speaker A:Oh, David Tennant.
Speaker B:His living room part of me back then. I've changed my mind a bit now but back then I was like, oh, that could have been any Doctor. That could have been a different Doctor. That could have been a.
Speaker A:You'll never ever know.
Speaker B:Could have seen Tom Baker's scarf like in. You know, blurry or something.
Speaker A:Looking a bit lost there.
Speaker B:But then I sort of think, well, you know, sorry, the Doctor.
Speaker A:Hope the Canadian on John for that little clip they did that one needed the money back in.
Speaker B:Talking about. He's called Elton. There's all these little cutaways in between after. So we got to the bit where
Speaker A:talking about his rocket boy
Speaker B:perspective of earlier adventures. Like this is Rose with all the shop window dummies coming in. Which is good.
Speaker A:He was there when the plastic man came Out.
Speaker B:What's the next one? Oh, yeah, Big Ben in it. Slythine going through Big Ben in a minute and then he's got the.
Speaker A:I always thought that they didn't really get a fair shake in the series one, so I like that.
Speaker B:I don't mind that at all since
Speaker A:really there's probably more they could have done with that.
Speaker B:I've talked a bit quickly because it's only just got to the bit where Big Ben gets smashed into. Still a good shot, that.
Speaker A:Yeah. So he's been involved in everything that the Doctors been doing, basically. We don't see Eccleston.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's quite. That's pretty seamless, actually. That could have just. That could just be inserted.
Speaker A:Well, we all know what happened on Christmas Day, didn't we? The Doctor decided to kill something controversial.
Speaker B:I like Mark Warren generally, but he's not the best actor in the world. Easy. He's doing that thing, I mean, so sort of talking a bit.
Speaker A:There's a lot of stuff going on in this episode, isn't there? We haven't got to the greatest part yet though, at all. But it's a challenging watch.
Speaker C:That's when it all started happening. That's how I met Ursula.
Speaker B:Ursula, yeah. Oh, okay. So this is a flash forward back Victor Kennedy. Kennedy.
Speaker A:The one from Harry Potter.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think I can predict looking back life on Mars.
Speaker B:I'm trying not to focus too much on what I think Anne's gonna say. I'm intrigued to know if any of our things.
Speaker A:I mean, I wasn't in the best frame of mind when I watched this. As I said the first time, the absorbed so far was boring. There's just a lot of stuff going on. It's not Mark Warren's fault. Doing his best with what he's been
Speaker B:given the winner of a Blue Peter competition to design a monster that would be in the series now. What was that part of the remit then?
Speaker A:This is perhaps the best bit in the entire episode.
Speaker B:This is going to be in the series.
Speaker A:Putting a bit of yellow in there, probably.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Mark Warren's classic dance.
Speaker B:I can't remember what the other designs were, but this particular design, it was
Speaker A:mid 2000, like lampshades expanded out. They were really. They were really the thing. And for some reason complete fire hazard. I'm sure were injured with those similar
Speaker B:ish to the Slovene that had been in the previous series.
Speaker A:Look at that monitor.
Speaker B:It's probably fresh in his head. I've never seen them big black pants and black hair. So, yeah. Fine shade of green is a bit slything it's got a belly like Slithereen
Speaker A:websites look like that probably really maybe
Speaker B:they really lean into it later and it really annoys me it's like yeah oh it looks
Speaker A:a bit like something we would make about it and also they didn't miss my space I think
Speaker B:designed it was like enjoyment Peter K in some pants I'm a 40 year
Speaker A:old man so what do I know
Speaker B:with a Mohican anyway they want a
Speaker A:four part bench what did we miss?
Speaker B:Oh yeah he's just yeah he found David Tennant's face on ur's blog she's
Speaker A:got such a unique voice like when
Speaker B:Rose in the first she sounds episode
Speaker A:like she's permanently trapped down on well
Speaker B:just just puts the doctor into a
Speaker A:search engine Dr. Blue Box I imagine she's lovely in real life with her five minutes with her I like Scream
Speaker B:I think he should have been mentioned he should have been involved with what we will find out is really actually
Speaker A:in a really fantastic the show about the Tourette's film about the Tourette's man Really good she was really good in that she was a mum piece of work
Speaker B:I missed a bit I can't remember if she said she look at
Speaker A:that walk they're doing there through the
Speaker B:woods Saw all things that were happening around series one
Speaker A:so I never really like episodes where they talk about things that have happened and he's talking about
Speaker B:it now Right so here we go
Speaker A:this is trying to let us in on what happened but this is the
Speaker B:group that becomes Linda it always puts
Speaker A:me out a bit so this guy
Speaker B:Mr. Skinner he is that man in
Speaker A:Alan Partridge head Can't remember what he's been Michael's been a lot of Jordyn
Speaker B:Stop telling me what to do and also he is the I should probably
Speaker A:have the cast list up Shouldn't I hear me typing I'm just typing to see who that was because I don't
Speaker B:know what that actress is called he's
Speaker A:quite famous and now I look like a complete idiot Bliss well I'm trying to work out who that is he's
Speaker B:in two pounds of lager and a
Speaker A:packet of Chris we know what they are Crisp lady then girlfriend now wife
Speaker B:when we all were in university and God it was a chore it really was it was so hard to watch I think I There was one joke
Speaker A:I really laughed 2006 aren't and I
Speaker B:can't even remember what it was but a lot of the time it was very little Did I know?
Speaker A:Shirley Henderson is the woman trapped on the world Name Sheridan Smith. She plays Ur Blake in Will Meller.
Speaker B:And later on Catherine Drysdale is the. Quite a lot of that cast. It was the other two. Well, Bliss, obviously. And then there's the Natalie something. Anyway, so just got to take them too.
Speaker A:Simon Green.
Speaker B:I don't mind Bliss actress and I quite like the character in a sense.
Speaker A:Yes, of course.
Speaker B:I like that he's been in Alan Partridge looking for the Doctor and just gone on to other things really.
Speaker A:Of course he has Mr. Skinner's reading now. Don't I look silly?
Speaker B:His own story.
Speaker A:It's weird when you recognize the face. Where from? I watch that a lot.
Speaker B:Music.
Speaker A:Of course it's him.
Speaker B:So what's that character called? I can't remember. The older lady.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker B:Though the daughter's gone missing.
Speaker A:I mean, I'd rather watch that than this. But there we are. We've committed to watching this pile of. I mean, it could be all right. I could have been wrong.
Speaker B:She was in.
Speaker A:She's from.
Speaker B:She must be one of.
Speaker A:Shameless that this even exists, people. But it does bet he wishes he was still an Alan Partridge.
Speaker B:Right. Bliss has started singing an embarrassing song
Speaker A:that she wishes she was still in. Two pints of lager. It was two pints of lager, wasn't it? I'm not gone mad. Not lost my mind because that'd be really embarrassing. Catherine Drysdale playing Bliss don't do music. It sucks. Unless you're playing Yellow.
Speaker B:Bridget.
Speaker A:Morons.
Speaker B:Just gonna. Bliss. Ursula Elton. Yeah. This whole Linda thing winds me up because one. It's a. It's one of those things. I think Russell T. Davis has thought that'd be a funny idea and then has not thought at any point. Oh, no, actually it's not. So he's done everything he can to shoehorn it in. And there's a really embarrassing bit of dialogue later where. Sorry, earlier when he's saying. It stands for London Investigative Investigation. They're going. And he goes, fish and chips. Rock and roll. You know?
Speaker A:You know, I do love scenes like that. When they get out of the lift. It's a bit like Rocky Horror. So this is a more of a letdown than Rocky Horror and Frankenfell.
Speaker B:Hey, do you know what this is actually?
Speaker A:And the problem is because. Do I find the UK particularly funny? No. Do I think he's a particularly good actor?
Speaker B:Again, no to Kennedy.
Speaker A:And do I think he did well in this?
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:Again, no, I don't P. Okay. But maybe I'M wrong.
Speaker B:I didn't mind Peter.
Speaker A:He looks like that version of.
Speaker B:I don't know, I quite like a bit of a variety.
Speaker A:Fat Controller basically. That's what he looks like. He's called acting something like Oliver Top Hat or something.
Speaker B:Not bad at all. Sure.
Speaker A:That's what we should call this guy.
Speaker B:Course he's got. He's got.
Speaker A:I mean I'd love everybody's opinions. Is this the worst cameo we say? Because I mean also James Corden's been an episode. So if you did want to kill yourself, you could just watch both of these back to back.
Speaker B:Get back and look at the Doctor. This is good that. The. The tardis, the video. That's good.
Speaker A:They're all around good. I can't believe what that sound is. So Elton's Please, not another series. Please no more.
Speaker B:You've heard it before, haven't you? Yeah. This whole thing is very forgotten are so bad.
Speaker A:Your stand ups are terrible.
Speaker B:Never really explained me alone. Peter K, he can disguise himself as a human in the first place.
Speaker A:The voice.
Speaker B:I know they say they're like the comedy cousin planets of the dated and all that kind, but like that's not a skin suit, is it? Is it?
Speaker A:Back in the 70s house might be.
Speaker B:Was there a real Victor Kennedy?
Speaker A:Peter K's done some, hasn't he? Let's be honest, he's sold his soul to do anything.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker A:Let me just have a look.
Speaker B:And Victor Kennedy should have been done with his life.
Speaker A:I mean he's got lots of money, but does money equal happiness? Probably.
Speaker B:So he's saying don't touch me because we all know later he absorbs things.
Speaker A:But is that meant to be a bit like.
Speaker B:I mean he's not absorbing the New
Speaker A:Avengers or something like that. Aren't they group clothes thing. With pieces like the Epstein files.
Speaker B:Anyway, bye Bliss gone for a bit.
Speaker A:If somebody has to have a word with you in private. Definitely should never ever.
Speaker B:Yep, still go.
Speaker A:I think they might have heard that scream. Apparently not all deaf.
Speaker B:Bliss is dead.
Speaker C:Kennedy.
Speaker B:Yeah, don't mind.
Speaker A:He was right. Of course he's right.
Speaker B:Why are they so. Yeah, he's infiltrated the group and sort of made them search.
Speaker A:Remember Gerald McQueen? What happened there?
Speaker B:What are they. Why are they doing.
Speaker A:He's all over this IMDb they're not
Speaker B:getting paid, are they?
Speaker A:Cradle to the Grave. Yeah, that's what that house looks like there. They keep flashing back to that series did Cradle to the Grave.
Speaker B:Why has he got this Cradle two Grave back to work.
Speaker A:I think Nick would say the north's greatest export. Peter K.
Speaker B:So police boxes like oh okay, yeah. So this is where. This is the beginning of it. The ho.
Speaker C:I just froze. You met him and you froze.
Speaker B:You stupid man.
Speaker A:Don't look around the eyes, into the eyes, across the eyes, into the eyes, near the eyes. Hypnotist.
Speaker B:Right. So he's threatened him and said he'll hit him with a cane. You're well oh, we're still part of this group most likely just literally go and form a different car.
Speaker A:Show was good though. I did like why. Why I thought that was a really good show actually. And I'm genuinely not. Not being.
Speaker B:He's not like he's got a hypnotizing effect.
Speaker A:Not being disingenuous when I say that I think was perhaps one of the best ever done.
Speaker B:This is what it should have been like. I like the pictures and see that in the background Christopher.
Speaker A:That was a whole thing, wasn't it? We love that.
Speaker B:I was quite excited when I saw
Speaker A:I think Russell tried to create the last of the series. Couple of series. He did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The last series cuz take off wasn't really cared about the baby by regeneration. They were not great.
Speaker B:They weren't really referencing back. Yeah, I quite like that. I mean he does turn up later in this series, doesn't he? He's got a little clip at the start of Let me Let Go Go Doomsday Mark Warren.
Speaker A:Look at my brown coat.
Speaker B:Oh no, hang on. Or army of Ghosts Brown, isn't it? Neither.
Speaker A:Looking back on this now, I mean we're obviously.
Speaker B:I remember seeing the previews for the series in Dr. Magazine at the time and it seemed like.
Speaker A:Just like oh okay.
Speaker B:And it was saying on the cast list David at the bottom and it said Bella Emberg. And I was like ah, brilliant. Now that was it for Bella Renberg. But she's brilliant. I really like her. Well, I mean unfortunately more yellow.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker B:He has found Jackie Tyler. Jackie Tyler I think is younger there than me and aunt. Both of them.
Speaker A:I would have rather seen the pub quiz than the rest of this.
Speaker B:I like her.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker B:She. Now was she in a plate or did I just see her? But she was in a Sheffield
Speaker A:bar after. You know it's just a slow burn. It really is. We're doing this weird backward watching thing which causes so boring trousers
Speaker B:and I saw her but she's a. You know I'm sure she would have said hello.
Speaker A:Definitely one of the worst doctors.
Speaker B:Just got an aura about her. I was just like it has to be scared about it.
Speaker A:I've watched some absolute garbage and played some garbage. I'll tell you what, this is the best time to mention the Doctor who
Speaker B:games if I was Christopher.
Speaker A:Some of them are really bad. There's one in particular to do with Anything will happen. A bit more of a phone game. But I played it on Switch and you kind of like.
Speaker B:I'm very susceptible.
Speaker A:Chasing the statues and the weeping Angels and they heal. You're like investigating mystery with
Speaker B:the knickers. I wish.
Speaker A:I forget the. The.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The actor's name. She's very good. That's a good. Good Doctor who video game. The. The worst Doctor who video game is. The other one came out.
Speaker B:I do miss.
Speaker A:It's the Lonely Assassin is the one that is good.
Speaker B:Got very nice eyes, don't she?
Speaker A:Yeah, Lonely Assassins is the one that's good.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, Mickey's been mentioned. Yeah.
Speaker A:It's a bit like an investigation type game. Very good.
Speaker B:Very, very old with his deleted scene.
Speaker A:Fun to play. I would recommend it. The other Doctor who games, most of them have been Top Trump games. Been all sorts.
Speaker B:That's the room.
Speaker A:One of the most recent. I can't believe they got away with it, to be honest.
Speaker B:Sometimes the Photoshop on it is rubbish.
Speaker A:And actually I think I've kind of gone off tangent a little bit. They're just having a good chat there, aren't they? Let's have a look.
Speaker B:See what the other JFK assassination.
Speaker A:Lonely Assassins.
Speaker B:Now it all makes sense.
Speaker A:Infinity. Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's. The dimensions.
Speaker A:Was good.
Speaker B:Christopher.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker B:And maybe it matches the Edge of
Speaker A:Reality or the Edge of Time. The one of them. Like a VR type thing. Yeah. Is that weird? I just couldn't get into them. But then I'm 14, so what do I know about VR stuff?
Speaker B:Oh, I'm getting a bit mesmerized by. By. Oh, no, sorry. That's pk.
Speaker C:That's amazing. You've achieved steps one to four in precise order. How did you manage it? Well, I had to work very hard. She keeps everything very close to her chest.
Speaker A:How do you move on? No, I kind of stopped talking, haven't I? I was thinking about video games again. Particular.
Speaker B:I'm a bit.
Speaker A:I do like his back over weekend.
Speaker B:It's quite late.
Speaker A:Quite sure why I didn't really. I just thought it was cool.
Speaker B:Quarter to 11.
Speaker A:I'm just chilling out.
Speaker B:Got my little stubby beer. That is a cane.
Speaker A:Unless you're a villain. I mean, that's. That's the obvious. Sign, isn't it? If you're carrying one of them, you're probably.
Speaker B:I don't feel I can be that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it. Don't go with it funny. Or you'll end up on those files.
Speaker B:Cutting about it.
Speaker A:Especially within. What? Working for the BBC. Because I've always happen.
Speaker B:Oh, I forgot about that. Mr. Skinner.
Speaker A:Allegedly.
Speaker B:No, they won't. They. Because she's going into his tummy.
Speaker A:That would be bad if I said that. Would probably open ourselves up to some interesting lawsuits or comments.
Speaker B:Yeah. I think.
Speaker A:Say no more.
Speaker B:As an experiment.
Speaker A:Looking forward to your revision.
Speaker B:Don't mind it not having the Doctor in at all. But when the Doctor does appear later on and when the absorbed lot appears later on, I think that's for me. What. It could have all been this as far as I care. I want to see them being. I like them being friends. I like Jackie and Elton's friendship.
Speaker A:Just down to earth, you know.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker C:Get the power surges still. There we go. Fixed.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Look at that.
Speaker B:She's coming up and she's done all her hair up.
Speaker A:Not sure how old he's meant to be in this. What would you say? 30s? What's she in? 40s? 50s? 50s? Copy. And she was. She's very attractive. She's still.
Speaker B:She's not even my type. But like I say, I'm just. It's the flirtation.
Speaker A:Very attractive, you know.
Speaker B:And she's very. And also the fact that she's saying it without going completely beat root red. She's just doing it very, very well.
Speaker A:Let's talk about games again, shall we? Top Trump. That was another one, but wasn't particularly great. We got one the other day from Car Boot, which was a Nintendo DS version which I haven't played. I think that was called Evacuation Earth and it looks like it stars Matt Smith. Should give it a play. Really. I bet it's really bad. Really? Really.
Speaker B:What's that music in the background?
Speaker A:I do want to play some of the other ones, but I don't think I'm getting much better than Lego Dimensions. I love the figures for Lego Dimensions as well. Capaldi and the dog.
Speaker B:Oh God.
Speaker A:Take all your clothes off. Really nice. I'm not a Peter Kane.
Speaker B:That's always been funny. That line ruined five.
Speaker C:The perfect infiltration target. Jackie Tyler.
Speaker A:I'm really confused. What? How he's got a camera. Cuz we only have phones that good.
Speaker B:Then he got a very 2006.
Speaker A:He hasn't implanted cameras in every room.
Speaker B:There's certain body Types you just don't really see outside of the specific eras
Speaker A:of time oh it's obviously Billy's away in her space with a space phone Is she just really clever?
Speaker B:Oh yeah, it's a road I get
Speaker C:left here sometimes and see that's good
Speaker B:Again would have been good if Rose been on the other end of a phone and not in it.
Speaker A:Anything could happen in the most embarrassing
Speaker B:scene that's ever been filmed almost Jackie Tyler there's been a few I don't
Speaker A:quite know why they did they didn't take fire as well like made no sense I mean just you know what before she's not doing anything
Speaker B:when Russell
Speaker A:I mean he hated me but I'm
Speaker B:sure Mickey went eventually tweeted like predictions terrible.
Speaker A:He's also a terrible terrible person in real life so cynically jokerly something going on here.
Speaker B:Oh the fans because I thought well
Speaker A:the length of actors that they get
Speaker B:okay, they turn on everything and that was a bit of a comment about not in my wildest dreams did I actually think it'd be Russell T. Davis's fault. Unbelievable.
Speaker A:There's so much talking going on about stuff that I don't care about not
Speaker B:necessarily for the right reasons
Speaker A:so I can honestly say that it wasn't just because I was having a bad day at the time. This is the worst everyone's turn they just keep going back to ELO. ELO cannot keep saving it
Speaker B:or maybe that's just people in my little bubble I don't know but I haven't heard anyone saying that his second era has
Speaker A:been brilliant or oh he fancy love
Speaker B:watching it you know it's always been like oh it was fine but we'll see what happens next and it was a difficult job. Shooty wasn't really she's such a unique person isn't she?
Speaker A:Because she.
Speaker B:You know what when I watched Utopia and Professor Yana regenerated into the master properly because we'd been rumors around we didn't really know what was happening oh no.
Speaker A:And what are you done that last
Speaker B:10 minutes literally couldn't breathe after it was so good I couldn't even tell my that was around my parents at
Speaker A:the time some of those people come around
Speaker B:and then and I thought wow no matter what Russell T. Davis does I. I've always got that moment I can forgive him anything. Well turns out I can't so diary
Speaker A:although Mark you've ruined it
Speaker B:of Utopia
Speaker A:this could have been a lovely love story Instead I'll become it's just a love a monster Story.
Speaker B:Right. So Jackie's found roses.
Speaker A:I mean we've never really had anything this bad since like I said, the James Corden episode. Yeah. Wasn't great either. No, that wasn't.
Speaker B:That's good actually.
Speaker A:Yes. We had space babies.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:That was also bad. I'm sure there's other stuff that was really bad too.
Speaker B:She does it very well. Except for just that last bit.
Speaker A:I'm sure my mind's just betrayal.
Speaker B:Single mom.
Speaker A:But this is bad. We're on such a hot run at this time. I remember reading message boards saying that this is still going to the doctor who will never be this good ever again. And I think this episode was on. I thought well that's ruined.
Speaker B:Go to extracurricular activities where you just
Speaker A:leave it now
Speaker B:and it feels like slave labor and you're playing manipulative games with people.
Speaker A:Probably. I actually really liked series. And then after that it kind of just went down the drain again. Don't think that's Jody's fault. Jody Whittaker, I think she was. Could have been a really special doctor. Really good moments. But again just the writing wasn't good
Speaker C:got to do with it.
Speaker B:I mean you and me. Right as he's asking Ursula out even though she's a four year old boy. Well, she looks.
Speaker A:Can't we do a voice? Just sound like Gollum. I do it.
Speaker B:So they are leaving finally. I don't care what they.
Speaker A:That wig looks stupid. He looks stupid.
Speaker B:I don't care anymore. Cuz I found something.
Speaker A:This is why he left. He left for a while. I think I remember reading somewhere that he did this and realized I may as well just leave. Not do anything for a while. People thought he was ill, but actually
Speaker B:just walking out. Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, would you stay?
Speaker B:I always think it's weird later on when. When he. They've all been absorbed and there's like Mr. Skinner's face poking out of his.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm looking for some positive image. I'm sorry for swearing. I've swore a few times on this. But it's the way I convey walking around. This isn't good. But I do like the fact that the reveal face isn't until later in the episode. Problem with that electronic eyes. It's boring as hell. Not sure where this was filmed.
Speaker B:Embarrassing. Okay, this is. Maybe they're going back where it absolutely 100 goes.
Speaker A:They're gonna see something bad, aren't they?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker A:I'm sure it was a Blue Peter competition, wasn't it? And somebody. Some kid designed it. You should not let children design things as a final say. Now, get. It was a competition.
Speaker B:This is going to be the probably the worst reveal.
Speaker A:You end up with stuff like this, obviously, and the big fat monsters, but they're just.
Speaker B:Oh, God, why did they pick one that looked so much like telegraph reader belly? Oh, no, that's even worse. That's an animatronic face with Mr. Skinner's real face superimposed on it, but not quite right.
Speaker A:And the moving faces. It's. Well, it's well done. It's just horrid. It is horrid and I suppose it makes feel horrid, but it turns you off. You're like, oh, won't be watching.
Speaker B:This doesn't make.
Speaker A:What is this? I'm actually embarrassed to watch this in front of anybody else. My wife said to me, record downstairs if you want. I'm just doing a little bit of reading. And I said, no, it's all right. I need a bit of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Space upstairs.
Speaker B:I'm sure this wasn't. Because quite frankly, the actual imagine.
Speaker A:I don't think she's ever seen it. If she saw this, I think she would divorce me. I think she would probably go, what are you watching? Why is there a big fat man on the tv? I mean, I got that. That's Peter K, you know, from Successful Stuff this as his comedy tours in Bolton.
Speaker B:This is the worst thing, right? Absorb a off, okay? So the little kid thought, okay, this thing absorbs. I'll call it the absorb Off. Like any bloody Doctor who monster, right? That is named after the thing that it sort of is or like best comedian.
Speaker A:I remember a Latin version of it or whatever quite like John Bishop, but
Speaker B:for some reason they've gone, well, it's a bit embarrassing. Is it? So what we'll have to do is flag it that obviously people just sort of making it up on the spot because it's just because it wouldn't be called and absorbed Al in real life.
Speaker A:So it can be done. It can
Speaker B:absorb. Clang. Absorb the love.
Speaker A:That's some bad. Also maybe for the time that isn't
Speaker B:quite absorbing, is it just having a bit of light. A light. And then being sucked into this hand. You should have like enveloped to like a brute, like surrounded her and suffocated her and literally absorbed her like a sponge. Instead of sucking her up like some sort of sucks some up.
Speaker A:Put some on his body.
Speaker B:Weird hand vacuum cleaner. Oh, and here she is.
Speaker A:It's amazing, isn't it? It's what Great cgi.
Speaker B:So, yeah. So he doesn't absorb. He doesn't absorb the laptop or his
Speaker A:clothes or whatever as well. Having a bad day. Which I did at the time. I've mentioned it. You know, we were watching this garbage. I should have put something happier get out of him. Something with a bit more murder in it, maybe. Why not put that on? What else could I watch? The fact that glasses are still on. Stupid, stupid decision. Keep my glasses on. Sucks in the glasses as well. Why not? It's a great idea. Russell. Go ahead. Russell. Yeah, Run.
Speaker B:So, yeah. She can read his thoughts for some reason. I just don't understand what is the.
Speaker A:Doesn't say why if he just gains strength.
Speaker B:Oh, no. He gains memories, I guess, don't he?
Speaker A:It'll be perfect.
Speaker B:But then
Speaker A:they cornered off all this because if people.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think he says, like, you don't like absorbing. The Doctor would be like, oh.
Speaker C:Oh, that.
Speaker A:Remembering when you were jumping.
Speaker B:Yeah, look. They're rubbish.
Speaker A:He's right. There's no point.
Speaker B:There's no point watching this whole episode.
Speaker A:Don't know why we decided to. We thought it'd be fun for everybody involved. I'm sure Nick said some absolute nonsense as well. I'm sure we've all just spoke like garbage throughout this whole thing.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker A:But hey, like that works because this whole episode on a spring evening, shockingly mad light.
Speaker B:And I don't think that's good enough. I think it's good enough, to be honest.
Speaker A:I've seen clips online. Nick did say bit of resurgence for this episode. I can only imagine that's because some of the recent stuff's been so bad. Upset my man. You don't mind this now, right? But there's the tardis. Oh, we get to see David Ten inch again. You upset my mom.
Speaker B:Yeah. I think this. It's weird. They seem like. I mean, they are. They sort of are in a way, but they seem like guests in their own show.
Speaker A:Just smack him.
Speaker B:And in a bad way, like they, like. They don't belong there.
Speaker A:Absorb.
Speaker B:Yeah. Rubbish. Why is. The Doctor said absorb aloft.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, all the kids did. Maybe they sold the Celine Slovene. Sorry. And then obviously went, oh, yeah, we'll make this big fat monster.
Speaker B:Also, Russell. Dave. Russell T. Davis is far too proud of.
Speaker A:I mean, David.
Speaker B:There's an amazing, unbelievably long and unpronounceable name. Did I just say that right? That'd be embarrassing if I got it wrong. It's not that bloody good. In fact, There's a whole 30 seconds, isn't there? In series one where they're going, right,
Speaker A:I think I paid well for this, David 10. Because this is an embarrassment
Speaker B:also, I think as well. It's only a little thing, but I think.
Speaker A:I think the reason calling is Rose
Speaker B:looks a bit out of place is because she's got different hair that she's never had before. So she looks like she's not meant to be there. Like she's not the real Rose. I don't know. So has this never happened before where he's absorbed anything that's gone. I'm gonna escape.
Speaker A:The wide shots don't look great today. Let's be honest. They did them. Actually. I don't think they did their best.
Speaker B:I think it's still not this bit when he breaks the cane, when he absorbs it to the floor. I still think that's a really good effect. Here we go. Coming up. Going up. Yeah, I like that. I mean, it doesn't really work because he turned into a liquid and it was absorbing people with a light beam before full. But that's how he should have absorbed. Absorbed other people. Calling David Tennant a wanker. Doesn't he do some really annoying things sometimes when he does that thing?
Speaker A:The worst bit.
Speaker B:He does that thing and he does the gum.
Speaker A:Not only sad, it's stupid gag a little as well.
Speaker B:Oh, God, I've just remembered.
Speaker A:Paving slab. We all know they wee.
Speaker B:God, hate it. Bye, be. Bye. Bye. Ursula. Please don't come back in a minute.
Speaker A:Stupid name. Stupid name. Does it save the episode? Don't think it does.
Speaker B:Also imagine if they tried to get it back in. It didn't. It was Mr. Skinner by accident. Oh, hello, Mr. Partridge.
Speaker C:Almost. Because the Doctor still had more to say.
Speaker A:Oh, doesn't he always?
Speaker B:Right, I need to. I need to concentrate on this bit because. What happened? Elton's mum died. There was a shadow in your house. Living shadow.
Speaker C:I stopped it.
Speaker B:Oh, I forgot about it any. Isn't that weird that then there was living shadows in the next series.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Oh, if he not said about how that story.
Speaker A:If we'd have seen that story play
Speaker B:out, that might have been all right.
Speaker C:Because that was the night my mother died.
Speaker B:So his mom was dead. Yeah, I forgot about this bit. I didn't. I couldn't remember. You saw it dead on the floor.
Speaker A:Sounds like a better story, doesn't it? But we got this.
Speaker B:Oh, cine film. Somebody pretending they're in the 80s.
Speaker A:But I do love a yellow, so it's not all lost.
Speaker B:All 70s. 80s. 70s. It's like the late 70s. Look, he's got flared trousers, he's got camellia corduroys on.
Speaker A:Don't blame him.
Speaker B:A bit too much yellow in this, but you do you.
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree. I think that's what happened for the
Speaker B:past 10 years on this computer.
Speaker A:20 years. Sorry.
Speaker B:Oh, I can almost smell the dust burning in it. That big fat monitor.
Speaker A:Don't leave your computer unlocked.
Speaker B:Is this bit the worst bit in the world? I think we're coming up to it. That's. You know what, it's gone fast at
Speaker C:least
Speaker A:don't get what he said.
Speaker B:I forgot earlier that newspaper that the absar was reading was the first fleeting mention of Saxon, wasn't it? Saxon wins the polls or something. Quite an odd little thing to put in. I wonder if that was filmed like the way around later on when he knew what the Saxon thing was going to be destroyed.
Speaker C:It's not his fault.
Speaker A:No, it's not his fault.
Speaker B:Quite interesting. It's like when Torchwood's mentioned in the. No, the Week parody thing.
Speaker C:I keep thinking of Rose and Jackie and how much longer before they pay the price?
Speaker A:I've got.
Speaker B:I've got a few camcorders with that need digitizing.
Speaker A:Might warrant you come back.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, I can see them actually as we speak. Weirdly. Maybe I've got to get it but
Speaker A:you know, every time that been interesting
Speaker B:every time I buy a thing to do it with and I don't just get the shitty def come back every time I get a thing to digitize them with, there's always something that might work properly. And the one I've got at the moment, there's what they call audio drift on it.
Speaker A:So I mean that's happened.
Speaker B:It's fine for short pieces, but if you do like a half an hour thing, then in the middle the audio goes a little bit out of sync, like minimally. And then it'll go back in again and then go out again half an hour. So it's like imperceptible at the time. It's right annoying. And you just got to buy more stuff to. To fix that.
Speaker A:Don't say that.
Speaker C:It's disgusting and I don't care what anyone thinks.
Speaker B:Right, sorry. We just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I definitely think Mark Warren says
Speaker B:he's got a love life with the paving slab one smash it to pieces because it's disgusting. How can it live? And also I've heard Russell T. Davis go, oh, that doesn't really mean a sexual thing. It's. No, no, that could. That could be Anything. It could be a kiss. Could be anything that. Well, do you call a kiss a love life? No. This is the meaningful paving slab, girlfriend. Just go, oh, don't talk about that, Elton. If it was just a kiss. And also smash it to pieces. Just crumble it up. Just get rid. Crumble it up.
Speaker A:It is as if you could have two people talking to you at the same time about completely the same thing but at different points.
Speaker B:That's an abomination that should have never been made in the first place. I would have been furious if the Doctor had done that to me.
Speaker A:Truly fascinating.
Speaker B:What's next?
Speaker A:I mean we're not going to talk about London 2012 London 2012. That was actually a decent episode.
Speaker B:Pedophile in it. You know what? I don't mind fear her most of it. If it wasn't for the Olympic things. I quite like it.
Speaker A:But again that was a Doctor light episode that we've just watched. I like one of the worst episodes of Doctor. Whoever hasn't changed my Chloe.
Speaker B:I like those. Those.
Speaker A:It's. It's just a shame that that cartoony
Speaker B:children's drawings come to life. I like the dad. An actual scary thing. Oh yeah.
Speaker A:The Hoyt. Can't believe it.
Speaker B:I'm going to continue Bella, remember.
Speaker A:Just because I want to watch the credits created by. Yeah. There was the kid there. Right.
Speaker B:Five seconds.
Speaker A:Great. He'll be an old man now. Not as old as me but it'll be older.
Speaker B:Oh, it's gone. It's gone. On to the next one.
Speaker A:Hope you're happy.
Speaker B:William.
Speaker A:Just actually probably is finished. That probably should be seen.
Speaker B:I'll be honest.
Speaker A:Some rights. I want some money now.
Speaker B:Packing But I have had a beer so.
Speaker A:Especially if it does have a resurgence. Everything comes back around, doesn't it?
Speaker B:I could just imagine like me in one ear and then and just screaming obscenities in the other.
Speaker A:Great. Wasn't that fantastic everyone?
Speaker B:I think that was a nice experience
Speaker A:watching along with us. I can honestly say it's one of the worst things I've done again but worth a shot. Fine. Mark Warren. I didn't realize Mark Warren was born in Northampton. I'm just looking at his Wikipedia here place the birth Northampton so near myself. That's master plan. That's one saving brace. I still think Mark Warren good in it
Speaker B:boring episode two was found boring
Speaker A:episode but I know that's what they
Speaker B:wanted but we were going to hopefully
Speaker A:you've enjoyed listening along episodes made you
Speaker B:so we'll see you properly for Dale.
Speaker A:We've got some exciting things coming up. Press play. Don't know whether we want to spoil them too much here, but it'll obviously be more of the usual stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll see you for some heart.
Speaker A:We'll throw some surprises in there too.
Speaker B:Ready?
Speaker A:I know we're not record at the same time constant as we would like to be, but I think when we get about and I think this is the best representation of what we do from the past. Love and monsters. Have a great time.
Speaker B:Garlic bread. Garlic
Speaker C:bread.
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